By: John Kaster
Abstract: Read the chat log and listen to the replay of this live chat with Jim and Steve on Delphi 2005's web development support
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This is a log of the chat room during the live audio chat from December 10, 2004 on
Delphi 2005 with Jim Tierney and Steve Trefethen. Jim and Steve discuss
ASP.NET and web development support in Delphi 2005.
Note: This log is only the chat room
transcript. There is much additional information covered in the audio
replay that is not available in this chat log. For all previous and
upcoming live chats, see http://bdntv.borland.com/chat.html.
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aohlsson: This interview has been announced for over a week.
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that's a manual process...
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aohlsson: Please use /ask to ask questions
aohlsson: Or hit the ask button
jkaster: holger: "Does D2005 use all of the schemas in
the "Schemas" folder or do I have to specify it?" -
by default, it uses one of the schema files. they're not all
used at the same time. if you're using ASP.NET, several schema
files are used.
jkaster: MrPMorris: "I really dislike it when my ASPX
gets rearranged, what can I do about it?" -Steve: 've
talked about this issue on my blog.
jkaster inserts the following link: http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/
jkaster: steve's blog
jkaster: MrPMorris: "File->New->ECO ASP.NET
WebForm uses its own custom template for the .cs file, can we add our
own too (so that a new page has source that we want within
it)?" - that's a good question because there's some
inside information you can make use of for File New wizards. We have a
templates directory that has all the markup and source code we use to
generate new ASP.NET items.
jkaster: davidi: "Any plans for better ASP support for
Windows 32?" - We've never actually formally supported
ASP development. We've had our own systems like WebBroker, WebSnap,
and delivered IntraWeb. We do have a very nice HTML editor in Delphi
2005 that would help any web developer.
(debugger, editor)" - we don't have any immediate plans
jkaster: davidi: "I've heard that there is ASP.NET
support on Apache Server - have you tried it?" - one of our
QA guys, Shane, has tried ASP.NET on Mono and apparently that works
when you copy the assembly over if it doesn't have external
jkaster: davidi: "Can you explian the differences
between code inlining, code behind, and code beside?" -
code inline is embedding your serve-side scripting in your markup.
code behind is separating your server side code from your markup, for
example into two files. code beside is also a code separation model,
but hopefully gets rid of some of the "junk" you get in the
code behind model.
jkaster: davidi: "Can you say some more about Cassini,
why would I use it?" - Cassini has source available.
It's a very simple web server available from the MS web site.
It's very limited in that it doesn't support multiple
directories, but it doesn't have the IIS management overhead so its
efficient for debugging. You don't even need IIS installed on your
jkaster inserts the following link: http://asp.net/Projects/Cassini/Download/download.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1
jkaster inserts the following link: http://www.systemex.net/CassiniEx/
jkaster: cassini downloads
jkaster: holger: "Would Cassini make ASP.NET development
on XP Home Edition (no IIS)?" - I can't think of a
reason why it wouldn't work.
jkaster: davidi: "D2k5 supports ASP.NET 1.1, is there
anything I should do to ensure that my web apps will work (or be easier
to modify) when ASP.NET 2.0 comes out?" - I don't
really have a good answer for that question. We'll probably have
some kind of conversion tool if you want to move your project over.
ASP.NET 1.1 projects will run under 2.0, apparently without even
recompiling them according to Microsoft. You might have to configure
your virtual directory to run the right framework.
jkaster: holger: "Since upgrading to D2005, the
codebehind sometimes includes things, I did not add in the Design view.
Closing/Opening the project helps to make those redundant lines in the
codebehind vanish. Will the coming updates resolve these issues or is
it a bigger problem?" - Yes, we will be addressing problems
like this with updates.
jkaster: davidi: "Can I use the dbWebAudio and
dbWebVideo without a database? (I can't seem to find an
example.)" - yes, this should work.
jkaster: RobLove: "Is there a published way to hook into
the deployment manager?" - No. But there will be, available
in some sort of update. I've [Jim] been working on an update to
allow a plug-in for the deployment manager.
jkaster: Serge_d: "There are rumors about new Deployment
manager. ASP project describes destribution. Will DM able pick up
project settings and create deployment package to be used to distribute
it to a web-site..." - The deployment manager was initially
designed for deploying ASP.NET applications, and does what the question
asks. We use an XML file for your deployment configuration files. It
recognizes markup files, configuration files, ignores source code files
by default, and so on.
jkaster: Serge_d: "So, are you going to support Windows
Installer? and would you provide API which will allow to develop
plug-in which will then compile into WI code using 3rd party."
- yes, once this extensible api is available. being worked on.
jkaster: davidi: "I read something about D2k5 supporting
output caching - is this for generated pages? Objects? Do I have to do
anything special to cache my pages?" - output caching is an
ASP.NET runtime feature. There is a caching and/or session object you
can use for this.
jkaster: davidi: "Does session management include
support for database transactions/state?" - We're just
surfacing design-time support for ASP.NET runtime. However, DBWeb and
ECO supports session management very easily.
jkaster: topher: "Can you explain the changes made to
machine.config by Delphi 2005 (the installer I think?)" -
to better support debugging on IIS, the debugger guys came up with
assemblies that can be added to either machine.config or web.config to
allow for better debugging of asp.net applications with IIS. We have an
option to modify machine.config because that doesn't get deployed
to a live server, but it's still available on your
development/debugging machine so you don't have to modify
web.config when you deploy the application.
jkaster: PGandhi: "Is there going to some talk about
master page inheritance" - This is an ASP.NET 2.0 feature
jkaster: holger: "Please elaborate on the plans for
ASP.NET 2.0 if it will be available (wait for new Delphi version or
update for D2005)." - ASP.NET 2.0 support will come in a
new version of Delphi. Can't say when this would be
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MrPMorris: Audio is perfect
jpowell: same here
holger: audio is better than the last time i was here...
holger: could you please announce the chats a little bit
holger: got the message today for today ;-)
shcodip: they're all in the calendar
PGandhi: Audio quality is very good
holger: oh ok
holger: then pardon me
MrPMorris: I don't check the calendar, so I am grateful for
holger: tnx good hint
shcodip: no problem.
holger: just got thunderbird and it's at last a news reader
which can do rss
PGandhi: Is there going to some talk about master page
MrPMorris: Our questions, are they supposed to be based on what
we currently have, or are we allowed to ask what we might get in the
holger: sad that it's not in pro version...
MrPMorris: It works brilliantly, using it right now :)
iman: the pro version isn't for professionals :)
MrPMorris: I hadn't noticed that zoom in/out before
holger: pls don't change it... my provider can only do
MrPMorris: holger, it would be an option anyway
MrPMorris: seeing as you specify it in the ASPX file
holger: yes, but if they decided to change to their
"own" code markup...
holger: nope, last update in april
holger: yes, it does
MrPMorris: I have seen people stating that it breaks SQL Server
Reporting Services, I haven't tried that yet
MrPMorris: Steve: Please don't forget to add that Blog
information about adding our own file->new templates for asp.net
holger: thanx guys
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